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Countess_Vampira:
Should Creationism be taught in schools? (Science in particular)

I have my own ideas on the subject but what is it that you personally believe?


For those of you who are unawares as to what Creationism is or entails here is a brief description.

Creationism is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity (often the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) or deities, whose existence is presupposed. In relation to the creation-evolution controversy the term creationism (or strict creationism) is commonly used to refer to religiously-motivated rejection of evolution.

Such beliefs include young Earth creationism, proponents of which believe that the days in Genesis Chapter 1 are 24 hours in length, while Old Earth creationism accepts geological findings and other methods of dating the earth and believes that these findings do not contradict the Genesis account, but reject evolution. The term theistic evolution has been coined to refer to beliefs in creation which are more compatible with the scientific view of evolution and the age of the Earth. Alternately, there are other religious people who support creation, but in terms of allegorical interpretations of Genesis.

(Countess_Vampira's thoughts)

Islamically we believe that Allah has created every aspect of human/non human existence but where I personally differ from other traditionalists like my grandmother and indeed some aunts and uncles is that I don't take the Quranic verses of the universe/worlds creation literally but symbolically. Why? Because being scientifically minded the idea of creating humans from clay/earth is hard to get my head around. Thats not to suggest that Allah cannot create humans in such a manner or indeed (has not created them as such) for I have no quarrel with Allah's ability in producing anything. Its just that being human I have a deficiency in understanding things which are greater than my cerebral capabilities and thus it is a great possibility that Allah has merely expressed to us the idea of creation in the simplest of terms. This therefore paves the way for self discovery and science. We are born to question and thus search for the truth in greatest possible methods...thats why I am open to the idea of all forms of creation, from the big bang, to creationism (hard as it is to believe that the world is a couple of thousand years old and that we lived among the dinosaurs. Then again whose to that humans were not around in the prehistoric era? hard as it is to believe there may exist a human fossil some where beneath our very feet which pre-dates even the earliest human fossil recording we have today. Shes called lucy and was found in ethipia by the way for those of you who are interesting in that little tibid (- though in truth she was not as evolved as us modern humans-which is another issue in and of it self)...but what I'm trying to say without much luck is because there is no definitive answer to the beginning of creation? I am as a result keeping an open mind and looking out for evidence.

I don't wish to merely believe in pixies I wish to at least know they are tangible. As a result, creationism should be introduced to children in science lessons as one avenue of the many theories that exist for creation, but we should teach kids that empirical evidence and logic should be placed higher than that of non tangible belief. Therefore placing all theory's, like the big bang, evolution and the Adam and Eve infastruction in a strict, logically fair context.

Hence the sole idea that should prevail in science is one which emphasizes the rightful accumulation of more empirical evidence (close to at least) and not simply heart felt belief. Now thats me finished.

What do you personally think?

PrincessMuni:

--- Quote from: Countess_Vampira on September 12, 2008, 10:31:57 PM ---Should Creationism be taught in schools? (Science in particular)

I have my own ideas on the subject but what is it that you personally believe?


(Countess_Vampira's thoughts)

Islamically we believe that Allah has created every aspect of human/non human existence but where I personally differ from other traditionalists like my grandmother and indeed some aunts and uncles is that I don't take the Quranic verses of the universe/worlds creation literally but symbolically. Why? Because being scientifically minded the idea of creating humans from clay/earth is hard to get my head around.
What do you personally think?

what do you mean by I don't take quranic verses literally? Allah subhanah wa Tala said in the Quran:"أنما يخشى الله من عباده العلماء" meaning the most ppl who understand and fear Allah subhanah wa Tala are the scientist! because they have proof and they know everything so therefor no need to say I don't take Quran literally, thats just wrong!

I don't wish to merely believe in pixies I wish to at least know they are tangible

Pixies are mentioned in the Quran so you have to believe that they exist and they don't have 2 be tangible?
for example: there is Air, you feel the breeze, you need air to breath
but do you see it? yet you believe that there is air and without air you wouldn't sit here wondering right?
excuse me if I didn't understand the goal of your post and my advice to you
is to leave science if its gonna make you wonder like this and work in anyother place!


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Yaxya:

--- Quote --- I don't take the Quranic verses of the universe/worlds creation literally but symbolically. Why? Because being scientifically minded the idea of creating humans from clay/earth is hard to get my head around
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first of all never say this statement agian because it is kufur.
 
The Qur'anic account of creation is in line with modern scientific thought about the development of the universe and life on earth. Muslims acknowledge that life developed over a long period of time, but see Allah's power behind it all. Descriptions of creation in the Qur'an are set in context to remind the readers of Allah's majesty and wisdom.

"What is the matter with you, that you are not conscious of Allah's majesty, seeing that it is He Who has created you in diverse stages? See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (glorious) lamp? And Allah has produced you from the earth, growing (gradually)" (71:13-17).

Life Came From Water

The Qur'an describes that Allah "made from water every living thing" (21:30). Another verse describes how "Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45). These verses support the scientific theory that life began in the Earth's oceans.

Creation of Adam & Eve

While Islam recognizes the general idea of the development of life in stages, over a period of time, human beings are considered as a special act of creation. Islam teaches that human beings are a unique life form that was created by Allah in a special way, with unique gifts and abilities unlike any other: a soul and conscience, knowledge, and free will. In short, Muslims do not believe that human beings randomly evolved from apes. The life of human beings began with the creation of two people, a male and a female named Adam and Hawwa (Eve).

The Qur'an describes how Allah created Adam: "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). Thus, human beings have a fundamental attachment to the earth.

While the creation of Eve is not described in detail, the Qur'an does make it clear that a "mate" was created with Adam, from the same nature and soul. "It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her in love" (7:189). She is not mentioned by name in the Qur'an, but in Islamic tradition she is known as "Hawwa" (Eve).

From these two individuals, generations of human beings have inhabited the earth. "Oh humankind! We created you from a single pair of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured among you in the sight of Allah is the who is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)" (49:13).

finally,There is more science in the Quran than most people know. Unless you actually study it you will not understand it.

The is how the building blocks of all living beings is water and clay. Modern science just found that DNA is made of clay. There is also science of how weather is produced, water is separated, mountains are formed, and the Universe itself. Modern science is just now catching up and proving the Quran right.
for further details see ATLAS OF CREATION by Dr.Harun Yahya
we never underwent evoultion,we were created
thanx 2 u princess_muni 4 ur post

Dr.keyf:
Astaghfurullah!!!some things are just a sin thinking them coz it leads u to say them.these questions u have ,hv absolutely no goal bt rather to challenge the very existence of islam.it doesnt matter whether or not man was created frm clay,Allah just told us tht for knowledge bt the very essence of being a muslim is belief in the unseen.if u challenge tht by ur questions u shake the roots of ur being a muslim n therefore are in grave danger of deviating frm islam.we hv never seen Allah n his prophet(SAW) yet we believe in them and wat they tell us.it is Allah who has mentioned tht we r frm clay,so for u to hv doubts is an indication dont ive any heat to Allahs words.
so dear sister ,i would advice u to refrain frm this dangerous habit.buy a translated quran and read the text,u will better understand,if u hv questions,ask those knowledgeable ppl around u.bt be careful,some questions are equal to shirk therefore refrain.there are some things tht Allah has hidden frm us and its a sin to guess or talk heresay,for example we know tht God is neither male nor female.our human brain would be curious as to wat Allah is bt we are asked to refrain frm tht because questions like tht are pointless and are a favorite topic of the devil.once u put ur mind to findin such things out(which u cant),the devil fuels ur curiosity until u reach a point of commiting shirk.so once again sister be careful where u tread.

Dr.Farabadan:
Dear Countess_Vampira.
I don't  Know what  uyou believe, but you got wrong idea about  this topic.

 in the fifth paragraph you said "islamically we believe that allah created every aspects of Human/non Human.

so, If you are real muslim, why don't you believe allah's words

allah told how every thing in this universe was created, so, you don't need to believe evolution theory.

If you are Muslim as you said, Ask allah forgiveness and read the Holly Koran then you will find the truth

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